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Zanu-PF
diamond whistleblower Chindori-Chininga dies in car crash
Violet
Gonda, SW Radio Africa
June 21,
2013
The discussion
on Hot Seat this week is about the death of Zanu-PF legislator Edward
Chindori-Chininga, who last week released a damning
report about the involvement of Zanu-PF officials and allies
in the diamond industry. He died in a car crash on Wednesday. Alan
Martin the director of research at Partnership Africa Canada, a
civil society organization that is part of the Kimberley Process,
communicated extensively with Chindori-Chininga in recent weeks.
He says Chindori-Chininga told him earlier this month that he knew
he was a “marked man” and that his work as chairman
of the parliamentary committee on mines had ended his political
career in Zanu-PF. He is said to have told delegates at a workshop
in South Africa two weeks ago that some of the individuals in government
who complained about the targeted western economic sanctions were
the same people who were benefitting the most from the restrictions,
because it allowed them to operate in the grey zone.
Violet
Gonda: The Zanu-PF MP for Guruve South, Edward Chindori-Chininga,
died in a car crash while driving in his constituency on Wednesday.
This has set Zimbabwe talking because last Wednesday he released
a damning report about the involvement of Zanu-PF officials and
allies in the diamond industry. Only two weeks ago the lawmaker
was at a workshop prior to the Kimberley Process meeting in South
Africa and delegates told SW Radio Africa he was openly critical
of the diamond situation in Zimbabwe. Last week as chairman of the
parliamentary portfolio committee on Mines and Energy, Chindori-Chininga
presented this highly critical report to parliament on Zimbabwe’s
diamond industry.
Alan Martin
is the director of research at Partnership Africa Canada, a civil
society organization that is part of the Kimberley Process, and
he’s someone who communicated extensively in the last few
weeks with the late former Mines minister and I asked him to tell
me more about the work that Chindori-Chininga was involved in. Mr
Martin welcome to the programme Hot Seat.
Alan
Martin: Thank you very much Violet.
Gonda:
First of all can you start by giving us your reaction to the sad
news?
Martin:
Well I think it is a great tragedy, obviously for his family and
we express our condolences to his wife and his family on his passing.
I think he was certainly a maverick politician and I think that
the work that he did in his role as the chair of the portfolio committee
on Energy and Mines I think was absolutely stellar. I think he was
a great example of probably perhaps the best parliamentary tradition
of using his role to use the parliamentary structures to try and
find out and get to the truth of the matter or the issues that were
surrounding Marange and I think that for that we will always be
indebted to him for his work.
Gonda:
Did it surprise you that there was a senior member of Zanu-PF who
was forthcoming with information on diamond dealings in the country?
Martin:
Yes. I should clarify that my personal relationship with him is
actually quite new; in the time that I was doing research on Marange,
a lot of it was by using information that he had gleaned from his
inquisitory style in the committee where he revealed a lot of information.
He got company officials and government officials, members of the
ZMDC for example and even the minister (Obert Mpofu) himself to
admit things in front of the committee which I felt very useful
for my work. But I personally only met him for the first time at
the beginning of this month and I think I was very much struck by
the fact that he had this sort of independent sense of style, this
belief that he had a role and parliament had a role in finding out
and having some kind of oversight of what happened in Marange. So
I was a bit surprised, perhaps to one degree, to the extent that
someone in a senior seat in government would be this cooperative
but I think the lesson I also take from him is that despite the
fact that we might have had our disagreements, it’s always
important to remember that even in regimes such as that in Mugabe’s
faction that I think there are people who are always willing to
listen and to be able to talk despite the fact that we might have
our disagreements.
Gonda:
Several parliamentarians have described him as a man who really
knew his mining issues and was a no-nonsense kind of guy especially
during sessions where he chaired the parliamentary portfolio committee
on mining. I hear he even tried hard to get corrupt guys to answer
the right questions during hearings and he repeatedly interrupted
people reminding them that they were under oath and that perjury
is a crime. I also received an email that he sent out last week
to the outside world, and I think you were also on that mailing
list, and basically he was forwarding the contents of the report
that he presented in parliament. The report had quite some astounding
issues, what can you tell us about the report?
Martin: As you
say it was very surprising; it was one that took about four years
to write so it was quite a well thought out piece and I think one
of the things that I thought was the most striking about it was
that it essentially, from a government perspective, for somebody
in his position to essentially be agreeing with the Minister of
Finance that there was a huge discrepancy between what companies
were remitting to government and what the Treasury was receiving.
And one of the things he did was to actually go to the companies
themselves and ask them to reveal how much they had paid to the
government in terms of royalties, depletion fees, marketing fees,
dividends, corporate tax things like that – and just in the
case of Mbada for example Mbada told the committee that they had
given something like a US$117 million and yet the government could
only account for 41 million of those. So I think this was a pretty
astounding thing. And he was very clear in directing responsibility
for this directly at the executive, particularly the Minister of
Mines.
And I think
this is one of the things that made him so effective in that position
as committee chair. As a former Minister of Mines he knew exactly
how that ministry was supposed to work which I think made it very
difficult for people to try and whitewash him. Just in terms of
the lead up to your question, I think one of the things that he
was very good at, even in the case of Minister Mpofu, he even mentioned
about how he had issued four subpoenas to Mpofu to, recently to
appear before the committee and Mpofu had been denying those and
dismissing them and I think finally he had to actually get the Speaker
to issue, or get the police to actually go and present the Minister
with that final subpoena which if he’d not agreed to would
have resulted in the Minster’s arrest. This man was very tenacious;
I think he really believed that Parliament
and Zimbabwe deserved to have answers as to how this precious resource
was being managed.
Gonda: Did he
openly refer to corrupt elements in the industry as ‘barons’?
Martin:
He did. He had said that during a conference, a workshop that was
held in Jo’burg at the beginning of this month where I think
he spoke very openly about a lot of things. He was very critical
obviously about the west and how the KP had, the Kimberley Process
had dealt with the issue of Marange
diamonds but he was also clear to point out that some of the
people who complained the loudest about the western economic sanctions
were those who were also benefiting the most by their continued
presence because it allowed them to, as he said, operate in the
grey zones. I think that that was again another very astounding
admission and very much in keeping with what PAC and other organizations
have found in terms of political elite, predatory elite as Thabo
Mbeki called them at the Victoria Conference in November - people
who are essentially robbing Zimbabwe of the diamond revenues.
Gonda: So did he or his committee follow the money or find out where
these people were putting the revenue?
Martin: Not
particularly, I think this was one of the things that is always
very difficult to find in tracking where these revenues go but certainly
the fact that these companies are listed in off-shore jurisdictions
such as Mauritius and Hong Kong and other places I think would certainly
make it very difficult for people to find out who is really behind
those companies. But yes, he was I think very clear in pointing
a finger at people in very senior places who were either on the
take or were looking the other way to something that should have
been part of their mandate.
Gonda: He said
there was no accountability and that this needed to be investigated.
So what has been the reaction about this report from the KP and
also from the civil society organizations, as the KP has certified
Zimbabwe’s diamonds?
Martin: The
report that he presented to parliament last week came after the
Kimberley Process meeting and I think that a lot of it, even in
the same vein as the report that PAC released last November called
“Reap what You Sow”, dealt a lot with the issue of revenue
transparency and missing revenues and unfortunately the Kimberley
Process doesn’t have any way of addressing this issue of lost
revenues. And so it was never really tabled as a discussion point
at the KP meeting in Kimberley that followed this workshop in Jo’burg.
I obviously
and other civil society people believe very strongly that this idea
of lost revenue, of ways in which either predatory elites or people
in foreign jurisdictions in trading centers who are taking or exploiting
vulnerabilities in countries such as Zimbabwe that perhaps have
democratic challenges, I think is one that the Kimberley Process
and certainly the diamond industry has to take a closer look at.
Gonda: I don’t
know if you are aware but Zimbabwe’s parliament’s term
of office expires on Saturday June 29th and a new group of legislators
will of course be sworn in when the next election is held. But the
House of Assembly has been criticized for not really doing much;
parliamentary watchdog Veritas has, over the last few days, been
issuing alerts showing how parliament has not functioned or how
there’s been little work in parliament. For example on Tuesday
the House of Assembly only sat for 15 minutes without transacting
any business but I understand that Chindori-Chininga’s committee
was one of the main source of information in the ‘diamond
world’ on what was happening in Zimbabwe. Do you agree with
this and if so how important was this portfolio committee?
Martin: I don’t
think it can be underestimated how important it was. It was something
that, in the first report PAC did in 2010. The information the committee
led by Mr. Chindori-Chininga revealed incredible things about the
fact that the minister (Mpofu) had stacked the boards, the ZMDC-side
of the boards and these were apparently joint ventures with his
cronies his sister-in-law, his PA I mean people with absolutely
zero mining experience, who had nothing to really add to the issue
or the management of Marange. The fact that he revealed a lot of
the opaqueness of the ownership structures of these companies, the
fact that Zimbabwean laws and regulations were routinely overturned
at the behest of Minister Mpofu these were unbelievable findings
and I think clearly he was a person who persevered on numerous times
to try and witness firsthand what was going on in Marange, to try
and gain access for the committee to go to Marange to meet different
people, to see for themselves what was going on there. I think that
kind of tenaciousness really is something that Zimbabweans should
owe him a debt of gratitude and credit for.
I think that
clearly going forward, his fellow parliamentarians, irrespective
of partisanship should try and persevere his memory by continuing
to work with that kind of dedication and selflessness. It was a
really, it really was an amazing thing to watch how he led that
committee.
Gonda: You said
earlier on that the report was four years in the making so what
explains the timing of these reports as they could have been released
four years ago?
Martin: Well
I think part of it was he talked a lot about the political challenges
he had faced in being able to get the report done. I think he said
part of it was the contestation between the executive and the legislation
of accessing information and the ability to actually visit Marange.
But also part of it, he explained in the introduction to the report,
was trying to keep up with the changing developments and how the
issues were evolving constantly. So I think that is mostly the reason
why but I don’t know, I think part of it perhaps might well
be his own thinking. We can imagine perhaps some of the other reasons
why but those are the two that he’s put down on paper.
But I certainly
got the sense in meetings that I had with him in early June that
I think he recognized that, I think, his work on this issue had
certainly ended his political career. He was very open about how
Zanu was not going to re-sign his nomination papers to run as a
Zanu candidate. I think perhaps this was his sort of parting shot
that he wanted to have a very definitive record of what his and
the committee’s observations had been of this issue before
the parliamentary period closed next week.
Gonda: Speculation
is rife on social networking forums, especially on Facebook, where
people are wondering what could have happened because as you know,
Zimbabwe has a history of mysterious deaths where senior politicians
die mysteriously and some of them through road accidents. It’s
not clear what happened to Mr Chindori-Chininga and we may never
know but he was killed in an accident shortly after releasing a
damning report last week in advance of elections. So what’s
your reaction to people who feel that the timing is just so very,
very odd?
Martin: Yes,
well as you say it’s more than coincidental. I think there
are a lot of factors that are at play. I think that probably Zanu
hardliners knew that this report was coming. I think he had been
a lot more open and willing to speak out or to speak his mind which
was a tradition that I think he always had, which is why he had
got himself in trouble in the past.
But I think
it does leave one wondering, particularly in the same vein as even
people like the death of Solomon Mujuru, the timing of it was so
coincidental as to make one wonder about whether there is some kind
of other more nefarious hand at play. I think that the other issue
too that had also put him offside with a lot of the hardliners was
the fact that he had recently been released, or his name had been
released from the US sanctions list and I think that probably also
might have caused some within Zanu to see him in a suspicious light
in order to doubt his bona fides. But it’s hard to say but
I think that he very clearly was a person who was aware of the fact
that he was a marked man. I really got that feeling that the liberty
with which he spoke indicated a man that knew that he might have
crossed the line.
Gonda:
Right and despite doing the right things on the issue of Zimbabwe’s
natural resources there are others who will say he was still part
of the Zanu-PF machinery that in 2008 presided
over a violent election and that there were serious rights abuses
recorded in his area during that period. What do you make of that
as a civil society organization that also deals with issues relating
to conflict and human rights in Africa?
Martin: It’s
a good question and I think this goes back to one of the initial
points I made at the beginning that there’s no doubting a
lot of the people who were on sanctions lists deserved to be there
and they were there for very good reasons. It might have been because
of corrupt behavior or violent behavior. I think that the point
that I’ve found in a lot of my dealings when I’ve been
in Zimbabwe is that Chindori-Chininga was not the only Zanu person
who was willing to talk and just to be honest, I had never sought
his opinion for the previous reports largely because I thought he
would be quite antagonistic towards us. But certainly there were
other people within Zanu who were of the same vein or same mindset
and were willing to give information and talk or to present a perspective
that I think was helpful to my ability to better understand what
was going on in Zimbabwe.
So I think that
the way I look at it is that there’s no harm in speaking to
people who you might disagree with and you might have issues with
because of behavior or suspected behavior that they might have been
engaged in. But for me it’s important that in order to better
understand the perspective is that you have to speak to people who
you disagree with and even in discussions I had with him in June,
at the beginning of June, I think it was one where there were things
that he said that I disagreed with but in a free world you are allowed
to have opinions that people would disagree with. That’s a
healthy part of democracy. I think it’s more the fact that
you could actually have an open conversation with him about issues
and I think that is something that is important to remember.
Gonda: Can you
share a bit more about some of those issues that you disagreed with
him?
Martin: I think
that for example on the issue of sanctions, he made some very open
comments which I’ve already alluded to or mentioned but I
think the other one where he argued that because the KP had deemed
Marange diamonds to be compliant with KP standards that therefore
European and US sanctions should be lifted on individuals or entities
like the ZMDC and I would argue that’s a little like comparing
apples and oranges. There’s one thing to argue that you are
KP compliant based on a very old and outdated definition of what
constitutes a conflict diamond for example, and the issues that
we see at play in terms of loss of revenue and things like that.
And another very different standard by which you would look at the
European and US regimes which were really looking at involvement
in other activity unrelated to diamonds for example election-related
violence and the two are not the same.
Gonda: You mentioned
that the committee’s report was released after the KP had
actually met so now that the report is out there is it going to
make any difference in terms of the KP’s involvement with
Zimbabwe?
Martin: I think
it’s a bit too early to say. I don’t think the report
has actually been circulated much within the Kimberley Process and
I think that it could be one of those issues that gets discussed
at a later date which would be the November plenary. But I think
that most people would argue that particularly from a conflict point
of view, that there was not really much to add. The fact that he’s
listing a lot of or revelations about missing money would indicate
that Zimbabwe continues to have a problem with its internal controls
which should be a KP issue. But I think that quite frankly the KP
lost the political will to do the right thing on Zimbabwe in 2011
when they lifted most of the export limitations on Marange diamonds.
So I think that it’s something that people will certainly
look at but I wouldn’t hold my breath that the KP was actually
going to do something about it.
Gonda: And a
final word Mr Martin?
Martin: I think
his passing is a great loss for Zimbabwe and I think particularly
in terms of shining a very small light on irregularities that continue
to happen in Marange. I express my condolences to his family, to
Zimbabwe for that because I think he really was a maverick, somebody
who had the interests of his country at heart and I think all of
us are going to be worse off for his passing.
Gonda: Mr. Alan
Martin from Partnership Africa Canada thank you very much for talking
to us on the programme Hot Seat.
Martin: Thank
you.
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