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Transcript of 'Hot Seat' with presidential candidate Mr. Morgan Tsvangirai
Violet Gonda, SW Radio Africa
March 07, 2008

http://www.talkzimbabwe.com/news/130/ARTICLE/1856/2008-03-11.html

Violet Gonda: Opposition leader and presidential candidate Mr Morgan Tsvangirai is the guest on the programme Hot Seat today. Thank you for joining us Mr Tsvangirai.

Morgan Tsvangirai : Thank you Violet.

Violet : Now let's start with getting your take on the state of elections in the country.

Tsvangirai : Well as you know Violet that the conditions for elections are uneven. In fact they are contestable before we even begin. The level playing field is not there. We are going to run these elections on ZANU PF rules and you can imagine when there is a referee who throws the whistle away and joins the other team, the outcome is just predetermined.

Violet : So this is now becoming like a rhetorical question - if you know that you are going to run these elections on ZANU PF rules, why bother participating?

Tsvangirai : Well we are past the debate against participation and I want to say that, in our view we are in a struggle. We are in a democratic struggle and any struggle has various fazes and various events and this election is just one of those events in the democratic struggle. For us, we are giving Zimbabwe a fighting chance against the dictatorship; of course people will say we are legitimising Mugabe. Contrary to that, we are actually de-legitimising Mugabe. If there is any last breath or any residual line of legitimacy it would be the final left. So on that basis it's no longer the basis of participating or none participating; we are going in fully aware of the consequences, full aware of the circumstances but also fully aware that we are in a democratic struggle.

Violet : Now I would like to probe you on a number of issues to do with policy and these are the same sort of questions that we would put to the other presidential candidate Dr Simba Makoni, and of course Mr Robert Mugabe if he ever agrees to talk to us. Now a considerable amount of population require food aid, there is 80% unemployment and inflation is over 100 000%. What is your economic recovery plan?

Tsvangirai : Violet, we have to start from the basis that the economy is really on its knees and that there would be need for short term intervention even to give people things like food, drugs, schools and transport. So as far as we are concerned we have a short term intervention around those areas. We will have to provide food to people and to us that is basic. We of course have a recovery plan that is based on our policy framework which is called Restart. We do recognise that there are fundamental tenants to any economic recovery plans. One - based on a strict fiscal and monetary policy in order to address the inflationary conditions that we face, secondly- to ensure that we have a participatory people centred economic development thrust, and three - to ensure that we can recover this economy by stopping the bleeding that has been taking place through patronage and corruption.

In the medium to long term, we of course in that medium term we need a short term injection of foreign currency from those willing to assist us but also from our own savings in the country - which is quite a huge amount of money. But in the medium to long term, we need to create conditions that will allow for the economy to start re-investing itself addressing the medium to long term needs of infrastructure and institutional support that has already been affected by ZANU PF's misrule. So, we are very conscious of the thrust of economic recovery and this is what we have promised the people of Zimbabwe that if you give us the mandate; we can assure you that we will address the economic needs of a country as a key priority of our policy.

Violet : Now the International Monetary Fund offers plans to reduce the sizes of governments, to reduce inflation and also putting a ceiling mark on Government wages. Now some analysts say that such conditions, if undertaken they lead to greater poverty. What is your response to such IMF demands?

Tsvangirai : Well in our plan we are not looking into the IMF and I don't think the IMF will immediately come to our rescue because we know that the IMF does not rush to an economy which has deteriorated to our level. But there are people at the bi-lateral/multi-lateral institutions that can assist us, but it also has to depend on our own policy trust which is our fiscal policies - how do we reduce the government. But also even when you reduce the size of government and make saving, you also have to understand that you have to provide safety nets for those who will be affected in the short term but in the long term everyone will benefit. This is not an IMF prescription. It is our own home grown economic policy thrust. Any country that has gone through that level of hyper-inflation conditions has to understand there are certain sacrifices that everyone has to make before things turn around and 150 000% inflation is no joke, it's probably a record in the world.

So as you come out of the trough, there are certain sacrifices that the government, the people have to make in order to make life better for everyone.

Violet : So are there any governments that have offered to help in a new Zimbabwe . Who will you look to for help?

Tsvangirai : We look to both East and West - those governments that will be able to assist us. I cannot at this stage mention any particular governments but I am very confident that once the political conflict or the political stalemate has been resolved, there will be people who will be ready to assist the new Zimbabwe to begin again to bring it back on its feet. This country has got a lot of potential, both in terms of partnerships, business opportunities and of course bringing back the multitudes of skilled human-resource-based that Zimbabwe has got in the Diaspora, to come and build the country and I am sure that a combination of both will actually see this country pull out of this current trough.

Violet : On the issue of the educational and the health sector, what is your position on privatisation of such basic services?

Tsvangirai : I don't believe in the privatisation of public institutions like hospitals. We are a social democratic party we believe that the state must provide the basics to the majority of the people and one of those basic services that the majority must access is health care and education. I believe also that the government would be able to deal with these issues much more effectively than private hospitals because the majority cannot afford it especially in the rural areas and the urban poor. We will still have to provide government services to our health and education because the majority; 80- 85% of people have to depend on state support. I believe that will still remain our very fundamental policy.

Violet : What would be the changes you would make then to Zimbabwean tax structures where workers are complaining that they are being taxed more than the companies because they also pay service tax for water etc etc?

Tsvangirai : Well our taxation policy is based on the simple principle that it's a proportional tax system. It's based on the higher you receive the more you pay tax. You cannot afford people who are below the poverty datum line to sustain the burden of fiscal responsibilities, whilst the majority - some of whom are not even paying the taxes getting away with that. So I think we need a tax structure, every government would need to design a tax structure that will not discourage those who are able to make it in the new system but also protect those who are at the back of the relay so that they can sustain their lives. I know that the majority of the workers in this country - given the rate of inflation -should not pay taxes but once we have dealt with conditions of inflation and everyone is in a healthy state then we can start looking at the tax policy to make sure that everyone contributes.

Violet : Will you give subsidies and if so where will the money coming from?

Tsvangirai : No one is talking about subsidies here. The policy of subsidising actually benefits those who can afford. You need government intervention in areas where the poor can benefit. You cannot have a blanket subsidy so that even those who can afford also benefit from that subsidy. I think it will be very dangerous to subsidise people who can afford - you subside education, you subside health for those who can afford. We are talking about subsiding at the point of service for those that cannot afford.

Violet : Ok and for those that can afford what will you do to that, do you think it will work to subsidise - like to subsidise critical industry?

Tsvangirai : No we cannot subsidise for those who can afford it will be detrimental to freedom of choice. These have been the policies that Mugabe has been pursuing for the last 30 years and look at the result. There is no freedom of choice, even for schools, even for hospitals, even for basic services. Let those who can afford have that choice but the majority must have a standard system that can assist them to have a standard life.

Violet : Let's move on to other policy issues. The issue of Matabeleland has been a sore issue for a long time, is there any program in your government plans to address the grievances around the Gukurahundi genocide?

Tsvangirai : When I stated at our Mutare launch that whilst we are not going to bring back the lives of those who have died there is something that you can do. For instance; you can start looking at those communities and have measures that can raise the lives of those people in those communities in Matabeleland . Roads, schools, clinics and all that and above all allow for Matabeleland to be a special economic zone with special tax so that those who want to invest can invest. But overall I think the policy of devolution that we have enunciated is actually a very important policy because it allows people for self determination and I am very committed to that policy. The other thing that we can also talk about is the issue of truth and justice - not necessarily as an instrument of retribution but as an instrument of national healing. That way we can begin to atone ourselves of the past misdeeds.

Violet : What about on the issue where people like Robert Mugabe have profiteered and stripped national assets, what would you do with people like that?

Tsvangirai : Unfortunately it's not something that you can outline as a general policy to say those who have benefited from the system in a corrupt way should pay for it because you don't know how much and you don't know the amount, the extent to which the country has been compromised. I think that unless you have got the facts, you cannot make a general policy because you might find that this might just be rumours and at the end of the day when you make an analysis you are not be able to establish how far the country has been compromised. So as a general rule you will have to put a stop to corruption and corrupt practices. Maybe if you are not able to establish the level of corruption maybe you need to move on as a country and start a new chapter.

Violet : But still Mr Tsvangirai will your government try to do something to investigate these allegations of corruption I am saying this because.(interrupted)

Tsvangirai : Absolutely, absolutely you need to investigate because you need to satisfy yourselves to ensure that the country has not been compromised to an extent that through corrupt practices, the previous government has compromised elections to that extent. So you need to establish that. But I am saying that experiences elsewhere have shown that it's very difficult to establish the level of compromise the country has suffered as a result of past government misdeed but certainly we need to investigate and satisfy ourselves but as I said the underlying thing is that you need to focus on rebuilding the country as a priority.

Violet : What is your policy on the land reform programme?

Tsvangirai : The land reform programme is very, very clear. I enunciated it when I was in Mutare. It basically a three pronged strategy. First, you need to establish through a land audit who owns what, then secondly, through an independent land commission reporting to parliament with special terms of reference to rectify, find out an equitable system of rationalising the land ownership and land use in the country and thirdly to ensure that you actually make agricultural land reform a focus of your economic recovery. In other words how do you increase agricultural productivity so that the country does not go hungry again. The other thing that would be very, very fundamental is that we need to establish farm sizes of various regions and entitle people to land so that they can look after the land. It is not just an emotional issue it is also an economic asset for the country, so one needs to look at the method used in the land resettlement programme or the land reformed programme as undertaken by ZANU PF if we are going to make use of that land.

Violet : So will this include removing the people who invaded the farms illegally and people with multiple farms?

Tsvangirai : Those people are Zimbabweans. All that we are saying is that we need an equitable all inclusive participatory process so that Zimbabweans can be properly resettled and that they can make use of the land without discrimination. What ZANU PF has been doing is to discriminate against political opponents - none of these people who are there can belong to MDC without being victimised. So we are saying land reform is for all Zimbabweans we have to start from the basis that land is a national asset for everybody - ZANU PF, MDC, Ndonga and whatever political affiliation .
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Violet : Mr Tsvangirai you are not answering my question. I asked specifically about the people with multiple farms, what are you going to do specifically with those people who invaded farms illegally and some have multiple farms, even though . (interrupted)

Tsvangirai : No I have answered. I have answered that by saying that they are Zimbabweans and they will be part of an overall land re-settlement programs if they need to be resettled, if they need to be re-adjusted that's the nationalisation policy that will come out of the land commission. I cannot determine specifically how they will be handled but I can say safely that they are Zimbabweans who are entitled to land and that there will be an all inclusive policy without discrimination of political affiliations.

Violet : Now according to the Herald the Commissioner of Prisons retired Major-General Paradzayi Zimondi said recently that if either you or Dr Makoni won you'd give back land to former colonial masters and he warned this would provoke war. He allegedly said land reform would never be reversed and he would do everything to safeguard it. What is your reaction to this ?

Tsvangirai : First of all I think that the election is that the people of Zimbabwe are going too chose a government of their choice. That's what the purpose of the election is. You cannot determine or you cannot even define how the people of Zimbabwe should vote or should choose their leadership. Once that leadership has been given the mandate, it has been given the mandate to implicate the policy according to the people's mandate. It is very unfortunate when an individual in the armed forces takes it upon himself to enunciate and actually undermine the people's will. I hope that is not shared by everyone, I hope it's an individual opinion. But even if it's an individual opinion, it would appear as it is an attempt to subvert the people's will and I think that the people will take great exception to those kind of comments. It is very unfortunate, the MDC believe that the army and all these uniformed institutions are national institutions and that they are professional institutions and that like everywhere in the world these are institutions that defend the people and not undermine the will of the people.

Violet : He is not the only person who has made threats, even Robert Mugabe himself has been on TV he has issued some veiled threats that he will not allow an opposition victory. What will you do when elections come and .
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Tsvangirai : I am going to these elections to campaign to be elected by the people of Zimbabwe , right, and I am not going to the people of Zimbabwe to be elected by Robert Mugabe or any individual. It is the mandate of the people of Zimbabwe . Once the people of Zimbabwe have given us the mandate, we will carry out that mandate. Those are intimidatory tactics that have been reminiscent of Robert Mugabe and some of these people who have lost the will of the people, they have lost the support of the people and want to be pre-empting it by these kind of comments they are not helpful for the development of maturity in the country.

Violet : Going back to the issue of the land, women are 52% of the population but only 15% actually benefited in the last reform program, will your government look at that particular pattern of re- distribution?

Tsvangirai : Well, in our policy we don't discriminate against women, I mean look it is also a cultural issue that sometimes we get these imbalances. But certainly I don't think that the policy that will give to the land commission will necessarily insist in discriminating women. We believe that it will be an equitable all inclusive process without discrimination of gender sex or whatever. I believe that it's time we sorted out this land reform program once and for all for the good of the country and the discrimination of the women certainly should not be entertained and I hope that the land commission will approach it from that perspective.

Violet : How are you going to re-introduce this viable commercial farming, will it also include inviting back commercial farmers who have been displaced?

Tsvangirai : Commercial farming is commercial farming it is not a colour issue. It is about the productive nature and skills that are required on those farms. In other words it is the ability of the individuals that will be farming to produce. I don't look at it as bringing back the former commercial farmers. In fact in our policy we have said we are not going back to the pre 2000 situation neither should we condone what ZANU PF has done because of the method the haphazard method. So whilst we are saying we are not going to recover, we also appreciate the fact that there are so many people that has to acquire the necessary abilities to use those farms in a commercial way. I am sure that there is already sufficient manpower to do so. All they need is support and all they need is training and once that support and training is there they will start producing to the levels that any commercial farmer should produce.

Violet : Also going back to the issue of women representation. The African Union set a 50/50 aspiration that women should be in all public offices. Now in your government will you observe the same for women?

Tsvangirai : Well Violet the issue of women representation is appreciated, that is the optimum. That is the ideal. 50% is ideal but you know that development especially when you have separate development of men and women becomes slow because of discrimination of the past. So I think that starting from encouraging women to be MPs, I think we have started on a third - a quota system and I hope that we get the right quality for the people to be participating and that the women themselves will come forward and participate in the political and administrative institutions of the country. But it's not something that you wake up one morning and have 50% even if you were to wish it. It's something that has to be a deliberate policy and I think that we as a party have already started that, starting with these current parliamentary and the local government elections.

Violet : Some say there have been indications in your party of intra-party violence against women. What will you do to deal with the marginalisation of women in you party?

Tsvangirai : Well I think that the issue of violence is not an issue that is only to the MDC. I think the issue of violence is a culture that has been introduced by ZANU PF. We in the party have always condemned violence but its one thing to condemn and it's another thing to have zero tolerance on violence. We have addressed these issues by ensuring that in order to achieve parity we had to start from somewhere and we have said we have instructed and directives that all oppositions should be a third - as a way of starting to introduce women in position of authority and in positions of representation. So in the end I am sure that with that basis parity will be achieved at some stage. But you can't start with parity when you don't even have anything, and we are very cognoscente of the fact that we need to invest in women leadership to build their confidence also to address some of the cultural limitations that are very, very prevalent.

Violet : What about on the issue of the constitution. I know that the opposition has been pushing for a new constitution for a long time - but in your new government will you change the present constitution and if so what are the sort of things that you would change?

Tsvangirai : Well, in our launch we have said that if we are given the mandate by the people of Zimbabwe , within two years we should get these people driven constitution out of the way and we are committed to that. There are various areas that people are disgruntled with; It is the balance of power; It is the centralization of power that has called for all these cries for a new constitution; It is the abuse of a state by sitting government, by a sitting president that has caused people to say we need checks and balances; It is the role of parliament; It is the rights of people - definitive rights of people enshrined in the constitution; It is also the question of how the government is accountable to the people and not the people accountable to the government. Those are the fundamental issues and also the fact that we will be able to establish various commissions to oversee, to act as oversight on government excesses. I think what people are looking for is a democratic people centred government that is able to serve the people and not to act as its master. And those are the fundamental issues from the very beginning when we started agitating for a new constitution and I am sure that the civic society is very happy with the position that we have taken.

Violet : And what about Dr Simba Makoni. What is your perception of him?

Tsvangirai: I cannot comment on other political aspirants. You better ask Dr Makoni himself.

Violet : No, but you are contesting. (Interrupted)

Tsvangirai: . I can't define him. All I know he is one of the candidates. And as far as I am concerned his is one of the other aspirants and I treat him with that respect.

Violet : But what about the emergence of Dr Simba Makoni - a man who has been in ZANU PF and he announced five weeks before a crucial election that he is going to contest against yourself and Robert Mugabe. Do you think that he has more clout than you have actually admitted?

Tsvangirai: Well look, Dr Makoni is a Zimbabwe patriot who has offered himself to the people of Zimbabwe . It is the people of Zimbabwe who have to choose who is best suited to run the next government between Robert Mugabe, Morgan Tsvangirai, Simba Makoni and the other Toungana. There are four candidates by the way. And as we present ourselves to multi-democracy it is the people that shall determine. To me this is a split in ZANU PF and it has nothing to do with the MDC and so I think you better ask Dr Makoni what he stands for, not me.

Violet : But Mr Tsvangirai can you not see the danger of you being isolated given the fact that it appears there is a boardroom succession plan that increases Makoni's chances of pushing Mugabe out in the event that there is a run-off with Mugabe?

Tsvangirai: Well you know there have been so many assumptions in the media and I don't like to speculate on the role of Dr Simba Makoni in the whole political matrix in the country. All what you are suggesting is speculations. All we cry for is that the conditions must be ideal for the people of Zimbabwe to be able to choose their leader and not for me to define another leader or another aspirant - to the same aspirations that Zimbabweans are looking for. Let Zimbabweans be given an opportunity to choose their leadership.

Violet : But Mr Tsvangirai how realistic is that exactly - that the people shall determine this election or these results because in Zimbabwe we know it's not the number of people that voted but the number of votes that are counted? You yourselves as the opposition should know that and you have been saying, since 2000, that elections get rigged and stuff like that. So how can you say that it is the people who will determine this?

Tsvangirai: Well what do you expect me to say? I am telling you that Simba Makoni has offered himself to the people of Zimbabwe and it is not for me to define what his role is. All I can see is that it is a split in ZANU PF. The man says he is ZANU PF. So we have two candidates that I am contesting with in ZANU PF - we have Robert Mugabe's faction and Dr Simba Makoni's faction. That's what I can read and for me that is where it ends!

Violet : What about plans of forming a coalition with such formations? What are your views on that?

Tsvangirai: Well I have heard people saying that there should be coalitions. I am the first one who tried to have a coalition or a unity agreement with our erstwhile colleagues in the Mutambara formation. Unfortunately it didn't succeed. But I am the first one to call for a united front against Robert Mugabe. And I said in Mutare this election is a referendum on Robert Mugabe. It is not a referendum on any other leader other than Robert Mugabe's misrule. Therefore the question of a united front is not only a burden of responsibility on the part of Morgan Tsvangirai. It is the responsibility of everyone who wants to connect and to form that coalition.

Violet : So would you form a united front with Simba Makoni?

Tsvangirai: That is specific. Simba Makoni is one of the leaders. There is Arthur Mutambara, there is ZANU NDOGA, there are all these other formations and I am saying I am open to discussion for something that is going to lead to the outcome that can relieve the people of Zimbabwe and solve their problems. So it's not specific to Dr Simba Makoni. Dr Simba Makoni has not approached me and I hope that there will come a time when we will discuss that. But at the moment there is no discussion with regards to that particular agenda.

Violet : And on the issue of the unity talks between the two MDCs that you mentioned just now- the Mutambara MDC actually blames you for the break up of the talks and I spoke with the Deputy Secretary General Priscilla Misihairabwi Mushonga last week and she said you were the one who stumbled after a senior official in your party, who was under the influence of the CIO, approached you to scuttle the talks. What can you say about that?

Tsvangirai: Well you know Violet even if Morgan Tsvangirai was as they allege - what part did they play in the collapse of those unity talks? It takes two to tango isn't it? And I think I have heard this for a very long time. That the split was caused by Morgan Tsvangirai, the collapse of the unity talks was caused by Morgan Tsvangirai. When are these people ever going to own up to their responsibilities and be truthful for a while? If the truth be revealed the split was not caused by Morgan Tsvangirai and the unity talks did not collapse because of Morgan Tsvangirai. But of course anyone can go on top of the mountain and claim this platform. All I can tell you is that I was committed to the reunification agenda and they should actually make an assessment that if they wanted everything in order for the unity talks to collapse - of course they collapsed because they wanted everything! And I cannot be seen to be rewarding a rebellion.

Violet : By everything you mean the parliamentary seats in Bulawayo and some of the seat they had asked for in Harare ?

Tsvangirai: No I am not going to go into the specifics. Ask them what was the cause of the collapse?

Violet : But Mr Tsvangirai that is what I have told you that I have interviewed the Mutambara MDC and this is what Priscilla Misihairabwi Mushonga alleges. That is why I am asking you why the talks failed.

Tsvangirai: Well if you want to believe Priscilla Misihairabwi Mushonga ask them - if according to them Morgan Tsvangirai was the cause I am not a member of parliament, I have never been a member of parliament. In fact if selfish aims were to be the motivation I was more interested in the unification agenda than any of these parliamentarians. So you cannot blame me as a presidential candidate - whom both factions had endorsed - to say then that my motivation was to collapse the talks because I wanted to have certain seats here and there. So the seats are not the issue.

Violet : So what is the issue because to be fair she did say if there was anyone who. (Interrupted)

Tsvangirai: The issue is that there are people who cannot reconcile. Reconcile in the fact that you cannot have a political party coming from one ethnic group and do not want to be part of the bigger hole. They don't want to rise up to the bigger picture which is what the MDC was formed from the first place. But we are a party that is committed to national integration across the ethnic and racial divide and that some of these people who have retreated to their ethnic enclave do not even require that or regard the fact that what we have put ourselves as an agenda is to create a country which is national in character.

Violet : So, on that issue of creating a party that is national in character analysts say that Zimbabwe is deeply divided and that a leader is needed to bring about healing and national consensus. Now will your government reach out to everyone if you win the elections? Not just people in the MDC but people in ZANU PF?

Tsvangirai: Yes I am committed to the national healing process, to reach out to everyone. That is why we reached out to Ndonga, we reached out to the Siwelas, and we reached out to the faction, the formation that broke away from us. And we still think that any government that emerges out of this election would still be a transitional government that has to incorporate all facets of life across the political and economic divide because what we need is a government that heals the nation and moves forward the nation.

Violet : And what about the issue that the reason opposition politics have failed in the past is because you have always been operating from outside ZANU PF and that you can't win against liberation movements without destroying them from within? What are your thoughts on that?

Tsvangirai: Well that accusation has no basis. The liberation movement is the one that has betrayed the ideals of that liberation, undermines the freedoms of Zimbabweans; undermines the economic potential of Zimbabwe and so you expect us to say; "Let's reform it?" A liberation movement that entrenches itself as a dictatorship does not need reform! It needs transformation. And we as the MDC are committed to a transformation agenda because we don't believe that ZANU PF - even if it tries to entrench itself forever and ever it will not succeed. Look at it this way, who has caused this economic decay and economic suffering of the people? It is that same liberation movement. What justification do they have to go to the people of Zimbabwe to say; "vote for us?" If they want to stay there by proxy and by force let them declare that as a liberation movement they won't move away then everyone would know what we are dealing with. As long as they are committed to the democratic dispensation in the country - it is the people that shall define. Liberation movements or a social liberation movement that is not the issue.

Violet : And finally Mr Tsvangirai you said earlier that elections are going to be run on ZANU PF rules, now this is your second attempt to get to State House. What are your chances of winning this time especially as you say things are worse than ever?

Tsvangirai: Violet there is a difference between winning an election and winning power. I am not here to win power I am here - of course if the power is won that is fine, that is the ultimate objective - but I know I have the full support like in 2002 and in 2005 we won the support of the people. And once more we are going to emphasise that we will win these elections. What Mugabe does with it is another matter. But the people of Zimbabwe will demonstrate to him once more that they are behind the MDC and that they are going to vote for the MDC overwhelmingly.

Violet : And what will you do if he rigs the elections?

Tsvangirai: Well don't speculate about what happens. We will cross that bridge when we get there. But I am telling you that the people of Zimbabwe are going to vote and they are going to vote for the government of their choice. If Mugabe decides to steal that is his prerogative. I told you earlier that let him de-legitimise himself even in the eyes of SADC and the African leadership.

Violet Gonda : And a final word Mr Tsvangirai. Is there anything you would like to tell the people of Zimbabwe ?

Morgan Tsvangirai: My message to the people of Zimbabwe is very, very simple. We have come a long way in this democratic struggle. We have another fighting opportunity against this dictatorship for food and jobs - give it a try. If Mugabe steals it the people of Zimbabwe will know that their vote has been stolen and that he would be ruling by decree. But this is a referendum on Robert Mugabe's misrule over the last 10years. I don't think that any sane Zimbabwean will cast a vote in favour of ZANU PF or in favour of Mugabe.

Violet : Thank you very much Mr Morgan Tsvangirai.

Tsvangirai: You are welcome. Thank you.

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