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Service delivery in the city of Harare - Hot Seat interview
with Much Masunda - Part 1
Violet
Gonda, SW Radio Africa
February 26, 2010
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Violet
Gonda: My guest on the programme Hot Seat is the Mayor
of Harare Much Masunda talking about the issue of service delivery
in the capital city. Welcome on the programme Mr Masunda.
Much
Musunda: Thank you Violet.
Gonda:
Now let's start with a general question, the residents of
Harare voted for change and democracy, how have you implemented
these promises?
Musunda:
We have implemented some of them but not all of them because, I
think what needs to be appreciated is that the infrastructure and
other ancillary facilities had become so run down over the years
that it wasn't going to be an overnight sort of situation
to get them working as they used to. But there are some tangible
results that we've achieved in the 19 months that we've
been in office.
But I think
the starting point before we go into all these issues that are of
concern to the residents and other stakeholders in Harare is just
for your listeners to get an appreciation of how I got myself into
the 'hot seat' because that is something that is not
commonly understood. I did not stand for election as a councillor.
What happened was, in the build up towards the harmonised elections
that took place on the 29th of March 2008; amongst the many pieces
of legislation that were amended was the
Urban Councils Act. Now the Urban Councils Act was amended in
two significant respects. The first amendment gave the elected councillors,
and in the case of Harare there are 46 of them, because Harare is
divided into 46 Wards. Now 45 of the Wards were won by MDC councillors,
I'm talking about the mainstream MDC and the solitary Ward
was won by a ZANU PF councillor.
So those 46 democratically
elected councillors were given an opportunity in terms of this amendment
that I mentioned, to elect a mayor in either of two ways: either
they stick to the hallowed and tried and tested method of choosing
a mayor from amongst their number, in other words choosing one of
them to become mayor; alternatively they were given an option to
go to civic society and look for somebody with sufficiently grey
hairs and somebody who is a glutton for punishment and that's
how I got elected. So we then got sworn into office of the 1st of
July 2008 but it's not been easy, I will be the first to confess.
But I think we have set about to focus on those critical areas and
the very first one was water and sanitation.
Gonda:
Mr Mayor, let me interrupt you on that, we will come to the issue
of water and sanitation, but I just want to go back to what you've
just told us about how you were appointed. Now correct me if I'm
wrong.
Musunda:
Elected, not appointed.
Gonda: Is it correct
that mayors under the amended Urban Councils Act are appointed by
the Council for one year and that technically your position is now
illegal?
Musunda: No it's
not correct at all. I mean in the past the Urban Councils Act made
a provision for the mayor to be re-elected on an annual basis but
this amendment that came in, mayors that got elected in the manner
that I did, and together with those that got elected in the old
way, they are in office for five years. So my term will come to
an end, in the absence of yet another harmonised set of elections,
I'll be in office until 2013 and that is the position. And
I checked that out, I mean I've been an attorney for many
years, and one thing I would not have overlooked was the basis upon
which I'm in office. So that I think we can square it away,
you know there's no question of my term having expired.
Gonda: And you mentioned
that . . .
Musunda: Can we just
finish off the . . .
Gonda:
Before we go to the issues of service delivery, just to go back
again to a point you raised just now,you said you were chosen from
civic society, but according to court papers filed by disgruntled
members of the Mavambo/Dawn/Kusile group, they name you as a respondent,
as a leader in Simba Makoni's Mavambo. Are you part of this
political party?
Gonda: No, I'm
not a member of any political party, but the position as far as
Mavambo is concerned is that I as an attorney assisted in the formation
of the Mavambo Trust and I became one of the initial trustees as
it were. You know those are two separate entities altogether. The
Mavambo Trust, you know I am a trustee and that is separate entity
altogether from the Mavambo/Dawn/Kusile Movement. And over the years
Violet, you must appreciate that I've studiously and religiously
and deliberately avoided getting embroiled in party politics because
it was not going to be of any advantage to me as a practising attorney.
Because as an attorney and as a partner at the time of Gill, Godlonton
& Gerrans which is one of the longest established firms in Zimbabwe,
I could not afford a situation where some of my clients could start
looking at whatever advice I give them in a jaundiced manner because
I'm tarred with one political brush or another.
And I have over the years
I have rendered advice to all sorts of people; Simba Makoni has
been one of the recipients of my legal advice, just like I've
had a fairly close working relationship over the years with Morgan
Tsvangirai and a number of members of ZANU PF.
Gonda: So what does retired
Major Mbudzi mean by saying you are one of those people still in
control of some of the assets and resources belonging to the Party?
Musunda: The assets that
they are squabbling over were registered in the name of the Trust
and the trustees are myself, Abiathar Mujeyi, Dr Nkosana Moyo and
Dr Nkosana Moyo I think resigned following his appointment as the
Chief Operating Officer of the African Development Bank and he has
since been replaced by Pearson Chitando a Chartered Accountant.
So we are there Violet in a fiduciary capacity. The only person
amongst the trustees who is actively involved as a member of Mavambo
Mavambo/Dawn/Kusile Movement is Abiathar Mujeyi. So I can appreciate
the difficulty which Kudzai Mbudzi may have in appreciating the
subtleties involved in all this because he is a military man as
opposed to a professional man.
Gonda: OK, so let's
go back to the issue of the Harare City Council and let me start
by getting your response to complaints by residents about the poor
performance of elected councillors. Why is that?
Musunda: Before I go
into that Violet, can we complete the explanation which I've
started giving about the two significant amendments that were made
to the Urban Councils Act in the build-up towards the harmonised
elections? I've explained to you how the democratically elected
councillors were given an option of choosing a mayor. What I've
not yet explained, is how the Minister responsible for Local Government,
Rural and Urban Development was given a special dispensation, prerogative
in other words to appoint Special Interest Councillors in all those
urban settlements in Zimbabwe and there must be about, between 15
and 19 of them, in other words cities and towns; and that dispensation
says the Minister has the prerogative to appoint Special Interest
Councillors, not exceeding 25% of the democratically elected councillors.
So in the case of Harare
as I said earlier, there are 46 democratically elected councillors,
so 25% of that in round figures is 11, so we have a compliment of
57 councillors - 46 democratically elected councillors, of
whom 45 are MDC, one is ZANU PF, plus the 11 Special Interest Councillors
who were appointed by the Minister responsible, and in this case
Ignatius Morgan Chimhinya Chombo.
So by the time we came
into office, the last time that there had been an elected councillor
in office was back in 2004 when Elias Mudzuri was the Executive
Mayor of Harare and then when he was hounded out of office before
a series of commissions headed by amongst others, Sekesai Makwavarara
and up until the time that we came into office, Michael Mahachi.
And I think that it was during that period that things really got
out of hand as it were.
But the actual battles
that we have as local authority should not be divorced from the
social economic meltdown that occurred in the country as a result
of hyper-inflation amongst other things. And by the time we came
to office the unemployment levels had reached an unprecedentedly
high number of 90% plus, and people were not able to pay for the
services that they required.
So to be more specific,
starting with housing, which is an issue you have raised with me,
there has been no more meaningful housing development for the best
part of the last 20 years and the population of Harare has grown.
And as things stand, there's a relentless migration of people
from rural areas to urban areas and when you look at for instance,
the 58 hostels in Mbare, Matapi Hostel, Matererini and others, those
hostels were built pre-Independence for single migrant workers and
with the advent of Independence in 1980 we did a quick fix and sought
to convert accommodation that was meant for single people into married
quarters and hence the problems that we are having today.
And so I think
I can tell you for instance right now that we have initiated, with
the assistance and support of the Ministry of National Housing and
Social Amenities, an initiative that will see a serious development
in terms of houses and that development is going to involve the
private sector players like Old Mutual and CABS and as fate would
have it, I'm Chairman of Old Mutual, and CABS is a wholly
owned subsidiary of Old Mutual and so we're quite serious.
We have, as the City Council, already identified areas where these
housing settlements are going to be built.
Gonda: And also, still
on the issue of housing, given this serious backlog on housing which
was worsened by Operation Murambatsvina does the Council have a
current housing list?
Musunda: Yes we have,
we have but it's not really up to date.
Gonda: What is it so
far?
Musunda:
I think there's a backlog of between 500 000 and a million
housing units, which is quite a lot. You know because these things
in a normal environment are dealt with on an incremental basis,
but if you have a situation like I described earlier where there's
been no meaningful housing settlements built for the best part of
the last 20 years, then you've got a problem.
Gonda: And is it known
or do you know yet how many housing units you actually own as Council?
Musunda: Well that's
a very good question actually; all I can say at this stage is that
we have under our jurisdiction 28 housing estates. In other words
suburbs ranging from high density to medium density to low density
and it gets a bit difficult to actually pin point the units that
are actually needed to make up the shortfall, but most of the high
density suburbs - that's where you find the units that are
actually owned by the people of Harare - and have been rented out
to tenants over the years whereas the majority of houses in the
low density areas belong to individual house owners.
But you'll be amazed
at how much property the City of Harare actually owns. You know
we have an exercise that is being undertaken at the moment that
is nearing completion to just give us an indication of who is who
and what's what in the Harare zoo as it were. And not only
in respect of houses and other tangible assets but also doing a
similar exercise to establish the real head count of people employed
by the City of Harare. And that's something we embarked on
immediately after coming into office in July 2008. We have a compliment
at the moment of over 10 500 employees. We are arguably the second
largest business in the country and the second largest employer
in the country, second of course in both instances to government.
But I genuinely believe that we could run the City more effectively
from a cost point of view and service delivery point of view with
less that the compliment of 10 500.
Gonda: Is it true that
some former employees and also some senior government officials
are occupying Council property or Council houses?
Musunda: Yes it is true,
I'll not deny that and, but you see, when you look at some
of these senior functionaries like the Town Clerk and the other
ten heads of department because we've got 11 senior functionaries
ranging from the Town Clerk right down to the recently appointed
Director of Waste Management, as part of their service contract
they have over the years been entitled to occupy a council house.
But what happened over the years is that some of them upon terminating
their services with the City for whatever reason, they then got
given the option to buy the houses that they occupy and others exercised
their rights over those properties, others didn't. But you
also have other situations where certain government officials were
not doing anything remotely connected with the City Council's
business, especially some of those officials that live outside Harare,
they came to be in occupation of Council houses which were subsequently
sold to them in pursuance of a resolution, Council resolution that
was passed some time back to authorise the sale of the Council houses
to sitting tenants.
Gonda: Who were some
of these government officials?
Musunda: I can't
name them off hand because they are quite a number. And there's
a standing court case right now in which the City of Harare is seeking
to evict Joseph Chinotimba from a Council house in Belvedere.
Gonda: Is he refusing
to leave the house?
Musunda: Well the law
is taking its course and we have instituted eviction proceedings,
yes. In fact there are instances and I believe Joseph Chinotimba's
case is one of those instances where certain Council officials were
not eligible for accommodation in certain areas, like in this case,
Belvedere where for one reason or another were allowed to take occupation
of these houses and they are now seeking to have those houses sold
to them when in fact they shouldn't have been there in the
first place. All these things are going to come out in the wash
in this exercise that is being undertaken.
I can give you umpteen
other examples; you are familiar with Trafalgar Court which overlooks
the Harare Gardens? That is a City of Harare asset. And we've
got shops on the ground floor and we've got offices up to
I believe the third floor and the rest are residential flats and
there are some government employees who are in occupation of those
flats and they occupied those flats in terms of arrangements that
were made way back and I think we need to have a look at all those
cases with a view to rationalise and normalise the situation.
Gonda: And what about
the victims of Operation Murambatsvina. What is the Council doing
or what has the Council done to address the plight of the victims?
Musunda: I will be the
first to admit that very little has been done other than the Garikai/Hlalani
Kuhle Project which was spearheaded by the ministry responsible
and we've recently been asked to take over that Project and
we are in the throes of doing so. I think your readers will be aware
that Garikai/Hlalani Kuhle Project was hastily put together following
the Murambatsvina scourge and in the course of putting all that
together it's a classic example of putting the cart before
the horse. You know the structures were put up before the stands
were properly serviced, in other words, there was no provision of
water and sanitation facilities. But the structures are there so
we need to move in there and rectify all those things and then get
on with it.
Gonda: Is it true that
an estimated 200 people actually faced eviction and thousands of
informal traders across Harare also faced being forcibly removed
without being given notice?
Musunda: That's
a bit of an exaggeration. I think people need to see things in context.
Let's go back to the situation that pertained immediately
before and immediately after Independence. After Independence we
have seen a whole lot of indiscriminate vending taking place within
the City and there's been no political will to enforce the
by-laws so what my Council is at pains to do is to clean up the
City in a way and have all these vendors operate from designated
points; together with the commuter omnibus operators and the touts
and others that have grown accustomed to doing things with total
impunity. And we are engaging constructively all the key players
in the transport sector for instance with a view to restoring order
as it were.
Gonda: But some of your
critics say that the Council is implementing policies that are identical
to those of the illegal Makwavarara Commission and that with the
latest threats of evictions you were actually forced to bow down
or to bow to pressure after human rights organisations like Amnesty
International put pressure on you to stop the latest evictions.
What can you say about this?
Musunda:
The evictions that attracted the attention of organisations like
Amnesty International
were evictions that had more to do not so much with vending but
with accommodation. Because we have squatter camps starting up here
and there especially around the Borrowdale Race Course, because
you've got those poor folk who used to be employed by the
Mashonaland Turf Club when the economy was still more buoyant than
it is now. And with the down turn of the economy the fortunes of
the Mashonaland Turf Club took a nose dive and a lot of those poor
folk who were employed there as general workers lost their employment.
They were provided historically with accommodation within the vicinity
of Borrowdale Race Course and so those poor guys just spill over
into the commonages that are conveniently near the Borrowdale Race
Course and those are the people that we need to find accommodation
for.
And I've met Amnesty
International Zimbabwe chapter in my office together with the other
human rights organisations that are understandably concerned with
the welfare of the people that we are talking about, and I said
right let's find a win/win solution as far as we can do with
this matter and they undertook to go there. In fact they've
brought two representatives from the squatter camp just outside
Borrowdale Race Course and we have a lady who was brought along
who was representing the curio sellers at Newlands shopping centre
and we'd like to have these things done properly.
Gonda: But you were going
to evict them before you had actually found alternative accommodation
for them.
Musunda: Well there are
no evictions that have taken place so far.
Gonda: But you were threatening
to evict them.
Musunda: Yes we were
because we need to take into account the interests of the other
stakeholders whose interests are being prejudiced in the case of
squatter camps that are far too near their residencies. In the case
of vendors, vending that is taking place within the city to the
detriment of the legitimate shop owners who are paying rent and
rates and yet they are not getting much in return. It is a matter
that we have to deal with and deal with appropriately so it's
not just a question of us enforcing the by-laws willy-nilly. We
have to find a sustainable solution to the problem.
Gonda: Some say given
the economic crisis does it not make sense to relax building controls
and actually allow people to infill stands with approved structures
- and that's provided such a process does not occur on utility
lines or other problematic areas. Wouldn't that actually solve
the housing problem or the housing crisis?
Musunda: Sure, if that
would be the answer. But I think one thing that needs to be borne
in mind is that Harare is amongst the most well-planned cities in
sub-Saharan Africa. You have areas that are zoned for certain types
of houses, whether they are low density, high density or medium
density. The moment you start allowing, bending the rules as it
were to accommodate divergent interests then you are going to have
a problem. You are going to create a situation that will lead to
the devaluation of properties and become an untenable situation
that one sees in a number of sub-Saharan countries especially in
West Africa, Francophone West Africa. But we have an overall plan
for the development of Harare and that plan was put together painstakingly
by experts on planning issues, and unless that plan is revisited
and changed, we have to stick to it.
Gonda: Let me go back
to a question I asked earlier on about the residents' grievances
and one of the grievances was that of the poor performance of elected
councillors; and I asked you why it was like that and you haven't
really given me an answer to that. So why is it that there's
such poor performance by elected councillors and also the residents
are complaining that the councillors are not holding meetings with
their constituencies. What's happening?
Musunda: Yes, I think
those are well-founded grievances which the ratepayers are making
but the truth of the matter is that when these report back meetings
are held, it's not everybody who is able to attend them, so
I've been for instance, since I came into office to a number
of high density areas and have had occasion to address meetings
with the councillors for the Wards and some of those meetings have
been very well attended. I recall going to a meeting in Tafara Community
Centre and the Hall was packed to the rafters. But the tragedy of
the whole situation is that things had become so run down that people
expect instant solutions to their problems especially the problems
relating to water and sanitation, refuse removal and electricity
and the fact of the matter as I keep saying, is that the infrastructure
had been neglected for quite a long time to a point where the services
that the residents so richly deserve cannot be provided.
Gonda: Is it your view
that the Councillors, in your Council are generally uneducated and
are not qualified to be in Council?
Musunda: I don't
think it's a question of education as in possession of formal
paper qualifications, it's a question I think of exposure.
It is true that the majority of them have never, through no fault
of their own, been exposed to the every facet of the community system
that is in place within any local authority and Harare City Council
is no exception. But one thing that the Councillors have, especially
the democratically elected councillors is courage and I take my
hat off to them for the raw courage that they have for having stood
up to be counted and lift their heads above the parapet and want
to bring about change that the people of Zimbabwe and in Harare
in particular want and so richly deserve.
So it's a huge
learning curve for a lot of them because they've never been
exposed to this way of doing things. And what is not commonly understood
by the ratepayers is that councillors don't just rock up at
a full Council meeting and start waxing lyrical about any of the
issues that may have been drawn to their attention by the people
who voted them into office. We have a committee system that has
to work and work in a certain way. For instance we have got eight
standing committees and most of those committees are fairly technical
committees - we've got the Audit Committee, we've
got the Finance and Development Committee. We've got the Environmental
Management Committee, we've got the Business Committee, we've
got the Procurement Committee, we've got the Human Resources
and General Purposes Committee, we've got the Information
and Publicity Committee and the eighth committee is arguably the
largest because it encompasses health, education, housing, community
services and licensing. And in all those committees you need people
that have some background in the related topic that has to be dealt
with and if you have amongst the councillors anybody who's
not clued up on any of those issues then of course it's going
to be a problem. But in an endeavour to plug the gaps that are there
we have offered many of the Councillors capacity building programmes
but it's going to take time for them to become completely
au fait with issues that have to be dealt with.
And unfortunately, the
Minister responsible has not come to the party in terms of his choice
of some of the Special Interest Councillors and I've been
on record having said the Minister ought to have maybe exercised
his prerogative more judicially - because when we started and having
chatted to the 46 democratically elected Councillors it became apparent
that there were certain glaringly absent skills amongst the 46 democratically
elected Councillors and those skills could easily have been plugged
by these 11 Special Interest Councillors that the minister responsible
appointed.
And those skills that
are glaringly absent have to do with strong accounting skills, strong
engineering skills, strong entrepreneurial skills and strong business
skills and anthropological and sociological skills because to have
to deal with the multifaceted matters affecting a metropolis like
Harare you have to have people that have got the breadth of vision,
people that are streetwise, people that keep their noses and ears
to the ground and their eyes wide open.
Gonda: In the
final part next week the Harare Mayor tells us, among other issues,
why there is a crippling water crisis even though the Council received
money to address the water problems. He talks about the status of
the airport road deal, the saga behind the purchase of an expensive
mayoral vehicle acquired at a time when the City was failing to
deliver a reliable service to ratepayers and he also explains measures
the Council is taking to ease the burden faced by ratepayers.
Read Part
2 of this discussion.
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