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Minister
of Constitutional Affairs, Advocate Eric T Matinenga, answers your
questions about the Constitution making process in Zimbabwe - Week
3
Kubatana.net
May 2010
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1.
Today's question has come from Zimbabweans across the country,
including Somar: How will our basic human rights be protected in
the new Constitution?
Now remember. It is you
people out there who will make the Constitution - not me.
This question seeks my comments on how human rights should be protected.
And I am happy to give my opinions about this.
When one looks at the
protection of basic fundamental rights, one must look at how we
provide that protection in the Constitution and outside the Constitution.
Firstly, when you are
talking about protecting rights in a Constitution, you must make
those rights justiciable. That is, the Constitution must provide
for an enforcement mechanism, so that the courts are able to provide
a remedy in the event of a breech.
Number two, the Constitution
must protect the abuse of those rights, particularly by the Executive.
The Executive in most situations seeks to abuse those rights by
providing derogations from the justiciability of those rights. By
derogation we mean that they want to provide an excuse as to why
a right must not be protected. Our Constitution must therefore make
sure that those excuses are minimised as much as possible.
Number three -
we must provide in our Constitution measures which make it difficult
to amend the enjoyment of those rights. So we must make sure that
the Executive, or Parliament, or whoever, must not be provided with
an easy way out in amending those Constitutions.
And finally, if you are
going to have a Constitution which is going to have a justiciable
bill of rights, you must also set up in that Constitution institutions
which seek to build upon the respect and enforcement of such rights.
Particularly in terms of Zimbabwe, we must have a meaningful Human
Rights Commission, a Gender Commission, and Anti Corruption Commission,
an Electoral Commission. All of these commissions will seek to support
the enjoyment of these rights which are justiciable.
Outside the Constitution,
what must we do as a nation to protect human rights?
Firstly, our legal system
is the preserve of the few. So it is important that we make our
legal system user friendly. This means that any body within this
country must be able to identify a right, identify whether that
right has been infringed upon, and must know how to be able to go
to court and get their rights enforced.
In addition, we must
cultivate a culture of human rights awareness, where everybody feels
bound to honour human rights - including in our schools and
among our security services.
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2.
How will we ensure that the new Constitution is upheld by all Zimbabweans,
even those in Government and the leader of Zimbabwe - and
not broken with impunity by some?
Section 30 of
our Constitution
provides impunity for the President - both in office, and
to a large extent when he leaves office. So it is important to decide
for our new Constitution - do we want this provision to remain?
Or do we want to say that the President does not have this impunity.
But there is certain impunity that goes with his office. If the
performance of what he does is in good faith, then there is need
to provide some impunity, though limited. But when the exercise
of that office is done in bad faith, then I don't think there
is any need for any impunity in this regard.
I think it is also important
that when we look at ways of kerbing this impunity, we go back to
what we discussed earlier about the three arms of government and
how these should provide effective checks and balances, so that
no single arm holds sway over the others, and so that power is not
concentrated in one person or office.
When you look at how
these arms of government are able to counteract each other, one
looks at the impeachment provisions in the current Constitution.
Impeachment is when the Legislature feels that the President has
gone over bounds and must be recalled.
The procedure for this
in the current Constitution is cumbersome. It is very difficult
to initiate, implement and resolve. So in the new Constitution we
need a procedure which is less cumbersome. We must also introduce
a human rights culture, a culture of constitutionalism, where it
is not necessary to then impeach because, from the very top -
the President, the Prime Minister, the Members of Parliament -
everybody accepts that they must conduct themselves in accordance
with the Constitution.
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3.
Today's question comes from a number of people, including
Primrose, Fredy, Onai, and Clark. They ask: How will the rights
of minorities - such as the disabled, albinos, ethnic minorities
and homosexuals - be protected in the new Constitution?
I am going to respond
to this in two parts - a general overview, and then specific
ways in which we can protect the minorities and vulnerable groups
of Zimbabwe.
In general, any Constitution
that is worth its salt will provide an equality clause. This talks
about being equal before the law. On that basis, one can argue that
everybody - including the minorities, including the vulnerable
groups - are protected. This is the beginning. But the reality
is different, because some groups are more vulnerable than others.
How do we protect minorities?
There are three ways. Let's take for example the disabled.
But what I say applies to any group that is disadvantaged -
women, a tribal minority, a cultural minority, and so forth. The
points I make are equally applicable.
Firstly, we need to address
the question of whether we are able to set aside a number of seats
in Parliament in proportion to the size of that vulnerable group.
Number two,
it is important that we provide a clause or clauses which advances
the welfare of those minority and vulnerable groups who were disadvantaged
by past practises, such as some kind of affirmative action.
Number three, the setting
up of institutions which look after these groups is extremely important
- the Gender Commission, the Anti-Discrimination Commission
- these are some of the groups which will advance the protection
of these various minority groups and vulnerable groups.
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4.
Kudzie
asked our question for today, which is: Are the principals to the
GPA able to hold an election without a new Constitution?
Let me say this:
There is nothing in the GPA
about elections.
But now let
me answer the question. Anybody in Zimbabwe must accept that a new
Constitution for Zimbabwe is imperative. In the democratisation
process of Zimbabwe, we must aim to get a new Constitution. That
new Constitution must address the various known provisions of the
Constitution, and it must be supported by institutions which will
foster a culture of constitutionalism, which leads to free and fair
elections.
In terms of
elections, this institution is the electoral commission: ZEC. Now
let's go back into history to see why I always go back to
this culture of constitutionalism. I'm not going too far back
- just to events that are still fresh in our minds -
the 2008 elections. The March 2008 elections were held in relative
peace and safety. But the June elections were held virtually in
a state of war. But what is important is that between March and
June 2008 there was no change in the law. Why then could we hold
elections in relative peace in March, but in a virtual war situation
in June? The answer is because of the absence of this culture of
constitutionalism.
It is for this
reason that the GPA addresses this issue in Article X, which obliges
all the parties to provide an environment for free political activity.
In Article XI it obliges all parties to respect the rule of law,
the Constitution, and other laws. And in Article XIII, state organs
and institutions are obliged to serve Zimbabwe, and not political
parties. This also recognises that there is need for retraining
of these state institutions, and a need for non-partisan recruitment
for these institutions.
I don't
want to even think that the Constitution which we are in the process
of drafting is going to be rejected. But it might be. And if it
is rejected, we will have to fall back on the current Constitution
and conduct any elections within the confines of this current Constitution.
I am however
heartened by the fact that, even in the current Constitution, we
have set up the institutions I've been referring to -
the Human Rights Commission, ZEC, and other commissions. But unfortunately
in 2008, we had a ZEC that did not conduct itself according to the
expectations of the people of this country. We then had elections
in June which really one cannot describe as elections at all, never
mind as free and fair elections.
So at the end
of the day, yes we could have elections without a new Constitution.
But really it is better for us all if we have a new Constitution
first, and an election under the terms of this new Constitution.
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5.
Today's question comes from Shame, who asks: How do we ensure
that positions of power in government are not abused by those who
hold them? What safeguards can be written into the Constitution
to prevent military personnel from aligning themselves politically?
Our current Constitution provides for what we call
Service or Executive Commissions - the Police Service Commission,
Defence Service Commission and Prison Service Commission. We also
know that there is a Secret Service. Some of you know it as the
CIO. Some call it persons in the President's Department. But
this organisation is not mentioned at all in the Constitution. Why
that is so, I don't know. But I think it clearly is indicative
of the non-transparency which surrounds this organisation.
When you look at these Service Commissions I refer
to, one thing that strikes you is that they are all chaired by one
person - the Chair of the Public Service Commission. Now when
one looks at power concentration in our current Constitution, one
wonders why it was felt necessary that there should be this concentration
of power in one person or in certain individuals. I cannot think
of any reason why it is the Chair of the Public Service Commission,
or his nominee, who should be chairing all of these commissions.
There is need, I believe, for the unbundling of power in this regard.
Now as far as political alignment is concerned,
we have all had experiences where the various commanders of the
police, the defence forces, or the prison service have clearly declared
their alignment to the Zanu PF political party. This is very unfortunate,
because they are not there to service Zanu PF. They are there to
service the people of Zimbabwe - yourself, myself, and everyone.
So it is important that our Constitution must make it clear that
you make a decision - if as commander of the army you think
you can do better as a politician, then by all means, leave the
army and become a politician. The same must apply for the Commissioner
General of the Police, and the Commissioner General of the Prison
Service. So it is important that our Constitution must address this
critical issue, so that whoever wants to become the number one in
those institutions must be aware of his limitations in terms of
aligning himself with any political party.
Now I think it is important that we go back to the
previous question, and those articles that I made reference to,
which clearly recognises that these state organs and institutions
must be reformed. We need then to take what is in Article XIII of
the GPA, and make it part of our Constitution, so that we all know
that the people who are in these positions cannot aspire for political
office, unless of course they choose to leave their positions in
order to engage in political office.
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1 - English - Basic human rights
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Date: May 12, 2010
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1 - Shona - Basic human rights
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1 - Ndebele - Basic human rights
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2 - English - Impunity
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2 - Shona - Impunity
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2 - Ndebele - Impunity
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3 - English - Minority Rights
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4 - English - Elections
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4 - Shona - Elections
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5 - English - Military
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